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9:39 am
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June 9, 2009
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Last Saturday I cornered my friend Brandon Melendez as he fought a young tough and hungry fellow named Kofi Adzitso. It was a great fight, with heavy punches and explosive takedowns on both sides. At one point, Brandon threw a left body kick with Kofi caught and used to take Brandon down. Brandon achieved the guard and quickly set up an Arm Bar.
Once on, Brandon proceeded to hyper extend Kofi's arm until he (Brandon) said he felt it pop three or so times. Despite this (and the fact that Brandon neglected to pick the knee or transition to the sweep), Kofi was able to pick Brandon up by his broken arm and slam him down. The slam concussed Brandon and Kofi finished him with a flurry of punches.
This is not the first time I've seen this type of thing happen. I remember a Machado BJJ guy from Mica's gym in NV come up and fight a local street fighter named Lima Pule. Again, his arm was clearly broken in the fight and Lima litterally beat the BJJ guy into submission with his broken limb.
I saw Robert Densly get his knee popped from a heel lock administered by Donnie Raines, and limb through the pain to rain down a hail storm of punches from a standing position (vs a downed Raines) and win the fight.
I don't really know what my point is with this thread. I guess mosty to point out the potential lack of stopping power when it comes to joint locks. Be ready to immediately switch to a secondary and third attack if you feel your opponent's limb break. They may or may not continue fighting despite the broken limb.
Any body else have any stories or videos related to this topic?
10:45 am
November 20, 2010
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I've always wondered whats going on in guys heads when they are willing to sacrifice limbs for a victory. is surgery and rehab and not fighting for a year really worth the victory? outside of the cage you are fighting for your life so of course you keep going, but in the cage just tap and live to fight another day. Those guys are another breed in my book for sure. I admire the commitment and dedication they put into it, but i know i don't have that mentality.
statistically chokes are much higher finishes in the UFC, at least since UFC 109. 25% of decisions were by submission in that time. of those the arm bar accounted for 10% of them. rear naked and guillotine both account for 24% each and triangle is at 10% as well.
8:34 am
September 30, 2010
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I truely believe that this has less to do with a "mentality" so to speak but rather the fight or flight response. http://www.thebodysoulconnecti…..fight.html If you read a bit one of the symptoms of thefight or flight repsonse is reduced sensation of pain. In an adrenelized state people loose gross motor skills, and loose their sensation of pain. For example I read a story on fox news a few months back, if I remembe correctly one guy got pinned under a car and his budy got out. The guy that got out ran 10 miles in like an hour or some rediculous amount of time. Normally he could barley run two miles, this guy was just Joe Everyday. Because of his adrenal response he performed almost superhuman feats, and returned to save his friends life. My point it is that fighters try NOT to get in this adrenalized state because of loosing their gross motor skills. However I believe that sometimes when put in a submission or something like that your body enters the "fight or flight" response and instead of your common sense telling you to tap, you fight. Also in an adrenalized state as I mentioned before is that you don't feel nearly as much pain. So you might not feel that much pain when your arm breaks. I read somewhere that prison gaurds don't rely or wrist locks or arm bars anymore because prisoners fight through them even with a broken wrist or arm. A Prison riot or escape would definetly trigger fight or flight. So those are just my first thought on the matter.
1:45 pm
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April 15, 2010
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This weekend at the district wrestling tournament I took an elbow in my state qualification match that busted out my two front teeth and split my bottom lip open to the point I needed 6 stitches (which I get removed in about an hour of posting this). They got the bleeding stopped just before I ran out of injury time and, against my coach's advice, went back out and finished the match and won. Then immediatley went to the hospital to get my stitches and the dentist for a double root canal. Haha.
At the time I really did not feel any pain whatsoever. I didn't even care. I wanted to win. I mean it is my senior year and it was the heartbreak round (lose, you go home/win, go to state). Maybe in an everyday match I would've walked away, but in the moment I went and finished the match, ignoring my injury.
It's not as extreme as maybe a broken arm or something, and it wasn't from a joint lock, but I had my little time with the 'ignore the injury' topic.
I think it just comes down to the situation, like what's at stake, and the fighter himself. If you get a really scrappy, tough guy fighting for a title shot, a cracked bone shouldn't stop him. On the other hand, if you get a guy who's more for show rather than the fight itself in a simple exhibition match, he's going to tap out at the first threat of a broken bone.
To some fighters, however, winning that simple exhibition is the same as winning that title. I've met some guys who go beyond dedicated into the area of just plain stupid. Pride is good, but it can get the best of some people. Egos get in the way and certain guys will sacrifice their future matches and serious, permanent injury just to win that one match they are in at the moment. That 'tapping out is for pussies' mentality is what I mean. I, personally, think it's better to tap out, not risk serious injury, and learn from your mistakes and fix the holes in your game that got you in the position to be tapped out. Learn from your mistakes and move on. Throw a title on the line, however, and I might be willing to risk that fracture or tear.
Just my two cents.
3:38 pm
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June 9, 2009
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Dude, I tell you what Dickey, I'd never want to wrassle against you.
6:03 pm
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April 15, 2010
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Haha thanks I guess. Didn't get the stitches taken out. The doctor said to leave 'em in this weekend at state wrestling for extra support incase I get cracked in the mouth again.
10:28 pm
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June 9, 2009
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Just found this today. The Price of a Belt.
Speaking with Brandon after the fight, he described a snap crackle pop. I didn't know if it was his pride talking or the fact that he was perhaps still loopy after the slam. But judging by the looks of it, he probably did do some significant damage.
12:42 pm
February 8, 2011
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personally i do have to say, i think those kinds of fighters who are willing at the low-level to sacrifice a limb and possibly future matches may win the day, but lose many others and in effect weed themselves out of other higher competitions due to what may become weaknesses(i.e. once a shoulder is dislocated it is dislocated much more easily from that point on). now i do say this after i myslef have allowed myself to be inside of several chokes to the passing out point and having my shoulder dislocated in no more than just practice and will also continue on to say that the heat of the moment can be one hell-of-a train ride taking you to places you didnt mean to be…
1:02 pm
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July 10, 2009
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You're an animal Dickey. Welcome to the toothless club brotha!
1:06 pm
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July 10, 2009
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Wow Yamasaki, Melendez wasn't kidding when he said he broke Kofi's arm. Sometimes in the heat of the moment you think you have done more or less damage then what you have actually done. Not this time, he knew he broke the arm and there was the evidence.
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