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6:30 pm
July 9, 2009
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I love a right hand collar tie with a left inside tie, underhook and wrist, or a russian (2 on 1).
So, what's your favorite tie-up?
5:41 am
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July 9, 2009
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I prefer my left hand as a collar grip and my right hand with wrist control. I find it throws people off trying to release the grip on their wrist then they pull it away leaving big wide openings, also its good to transition to rolling kimura/ switch the collar grip round the neck to a standing guillotine and general sweeps and throws.
10:51 am
July 9, 2009
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Yea our senior captain uses that tie-up, and I agree it totally throws people (aka me) off their game. =P
2:10 pm
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July 9, 2009
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Hee hee. I feel smarter now that i know a senior captain uses the simlar tie-up that I do. I might not be wasting my time after all. :)
4:09 pm
July 13, 2009
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An under-hook is my fav. I have a slight preference for the left under-hook over the right under-hook.
Once I get the under-hook Uchi Mata is my go to move, I love that throw.
8:07 pm
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June 9, 2009
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Uchi Mata is a great one. Uchi to Harai Goshi or Tai Otoshi or Cross Ankle Pick or Datu Luar. So many excellent options.
Lately, Coach Wells has had me working on, Uchi Mata to Wrestlers Front Head Lock.
Coach Kiser has been doubling and tripling up on the Uchi Mata and tossing people like rag dolls.
Good times!
2:49 am
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July 9, 2009
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Why is Judo so neglected in MMA? It can be really efffective with little adjustment. I only trained in Judo for 4/5 years but I still throw much bigger guys around in MMA classes. They seem to have no defence for lots of it. I realise there is people like Karo Parysian, Dave Camarillo, Yoshida and sokodju but I thought by now a lot more mainstream fighters would have incorporated it into their game.
4:56 am
July 9, 2009
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I just think it is an often overlooked MA in the US in general. The Asian countries usually SMOKE us in the Olympics, and I think it's hard to find real top notch Judo instruction in the US. We are lucky at my gym, as one of our blue belts is also a black belt judoka, so we have a 'Judo adapted to BJJ/MMA' class once a month or so, and it rocks. Coach Charles is a BIG dude, and strong as hell, he helped prep one of the judokas from our affiliate gym to get ready for the Olympics in 04. That guy was top, ranked #1 in the US, killed at the Olympic qualifiers and was a shoe in for the top spot on the US team, he got it, went to Greece, and was promptly knocked out in the first round by the Korean guy that went on to win the gold… Asia smashing the US, lol. I have learned a ton of sleeve/cross collar tosses in that class and are go to moves for me now.
5:33 am
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July 9, 2009
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Thats interesting. There is lots of real high level instruction where I live. Its like a hub for Judo. I remember seeing Marc Laimon telling someone off for attempting a judo style throw. I think it was on the ultimate fighter. He said "don't try any of that Judo stuff, It doesn't work" That always stuck with me. I started to question its effectiveness myself even though I was ragdolling people about with it.
7:36 am
July 9, 2009
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That blows my mind that someone would call Judo throws ineffective… As a school, at tournies, that is how we will get it down how we want it, a typical hand/grip war until we can get what we want, then use a coach cherry toss to set up the ground war in our favor.
8:10 am
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June 9, 2009
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I think maybe some of that has to do with the fact that with many of the "Major" type throws you are turning your back on your opponent in order to hoist them up with your hips.
Not as dangerous if your Kuzushi (off-balancing) is really good but dangerous nonetheless.
But I believe in the effectiveness of Judo and enjoy the art quite a bit. My father earned his Ni-Dan at the Kodokan institute in Japan and my Grandfather was a San-Dan stateside.
1:45 pm
July 13, 2009
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As far as turning your back being dangerous this is my take on it.
The classic arm throw (where you turn your back) is taught to wrestlers and judoka alike. However you will see this throw in judo a lot more than in wrestling. I think the reason is that in no-gi people are slippery with sweat and the risk of loosing your grip while your back is turned is much greater than it is with a gi.
I’m probably stating the obvious.
1:02 am
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June 9, 2009
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It's like single legs for wrestling. They work very well in that environment but are less effective once guillotines and other chokes are allowed. This will either lead to a modified single or the use of other techniques all together.
4:45 am
July 9, 2009
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I think it depends on your background. Trying to teach a wrestler something other than a single is difficult, when you can teach him a different place to put his head, and what to look out for when adapting his game for MMA. Same for an established Judoka, its easier and probably more effective to modify something you are great at than it is to learn something completely new. (but the new techniques should still be learned, just don't scrap that old to do it!)
4:36 pm
July 9, 2009
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My head wrestling coach is a 4 time state champion, and he brought in his friend who was an Olympic Judoka. They had never grappled before.
The judoka agreed to go by strictly wrestling rules, and my head coach was pinned in 22 seconds.
Moral of the story: Judo is effective.
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