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Leg Kicks Help
November 1, 2010
6:02 am
MARS!!!
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emm…actualy i am a taekwondo blue belt but i dont stick to that very much since i wanna be a mma fighter, i already won some fights against my bro's friends which are 18 years old (i am 14) but in the leg kicks.. i dont know if i should hit it in 45 angel or 90 angle or hit it like a taekwondo kick, so if someone can help me how to do a painful leg kick that would be great, i also wanna say that i hit it with the middle area of shin, thx

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November 1, 2010
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Hey Buddy, Welcome to the Forums! This magical page should help you out a lot. It sure helped me.

 

http://damagecontrolmma.com/th…..nd-beyond/

 

Get yourself onto the introduce yourself section. There's plenty of Leg kick tutorials in the members only section. I see you're from Egypt. That's Awesome. I've been looking into the Pyramids and their connection to the planet Mars recently. Some real thought provoking stuff. 

 

Let us know how you get on.

November 1, 2010
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naturalbornfighter1 said:

This magical page 


 

"This magical page"  lol :)

November 1, 2010
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It really is a magical page! Laughing It taught me so much and it was full of info I had been seeking but never knew where to find it.

 

I must have typed that subliminally hahaha. It is true though.Smile

November 1, 2010
9:48 am
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thx for the help XD

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November 1, 2010
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Thanks for the compliment naturalbornfighter1.  To be honest, Coach Kiser and I put a lot of our souls into that page.  Years of training, being kicked, kicking people, fighting, researching, going to seminars, asking questions, getting different answers.  All of that got consolidated into what we shared on that page.

 

I'm happy that it's helped a few people… and hurt a few that didn't bother to take a look  Wink

November 1, 2010
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You're welcome Dr.Sick. What I really love about it is that it's really hard to find out any real technical information about leg kicks. They hurt so bad when they connect well yet not many people can give you any information about why or how it hurts so bad, there are varying theories about where you should aim for but again not a lot of substance as to why one area would be more painful than the other. There is very little info on leg kicks and then all of a sudden there's an encyclopedia of Leg kick reference all in one page with incredibly good detail and it's done so well its very easy to understand, even for a dummy like me Laughing.

 

It truly is a Magical page! Laughing

November 1, 2010
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Totally agree with you naturalborn! This page is quite mysitcal and will one day be legendary! I've made huuuuuuge bounds in my skill all because of this website! Thank you guys so much! And again, welcome MARS!!! Sweet name and you sound like an intelligent kid. : )

November 1, 2010
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I love the anatomy of clips….

November 2, 2010
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wylothar said:

I love the anatomy of clips….


Amen!! They are ground breaking and innovative and extremely interesting.

November 2, 2010
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They are actually what made this site catch my eye. I'd would definatley check them out, MARS!!!

(That's gonna be fun using that name…haha)

November 2, 2010
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well, yea, people here are nice, not like on some other fourms, when i ask something about leg kicks, they are like "hmm..so you wanna learn leg kicks right?…go learn it somewhere, not here"

and they are no fun at all..like when they knew i fight my brother's friends, they were all like " OMG NOOB! you are CRAZY!" but..in a real mma fight..its not gonna be different much , because i might fight ppl older than me by even more than 4 years, so whats their point? idk. i like this forum and site the best mma site i seen and will see.

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November 2, 2010
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Mars,

I think if you watch or listen to enough of Dr. Sick or Mr. Kiser material you will see they set a standard of respect and integrity you don't get from many places. Ask away. This is on online learning resource it whole idea is built on collectively learning.

November 5, 2010
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I come from a TKD background as well, every art has its place in MMA, though some are more suited to it than others.  As others have shared here I think the topic of leg kicks is pretty well covered.  However I am going to just tell you my preference on the Traditional round kick as compared to a Thai kick.  A Thai kick is powerful because its about using your body weight to generate alot of its power, a TKD kick is powerful because of the speed of the kick involved.  Acceleration x Mass= Force.  These two kicks rely on the opposite sides of the equation to generate power.  The Thai kick rely s greatly on the body weight or mass of the kicker to generate its power. The TKD kick rely's greatly on its kick snap of the knee to generate power, so it accelerates at a greater rate than a Thai kick.  Now momentum is a big factor to, to why each kick feels like it does.  Mass X Speed= Momentum. Momentum is  essentially how hard it is to STOP an object with a consistent force once its moving.  Where as force is the "power" so to speak of an object.  So an object can have a lot of force but not to much momentum, though objects that have alot of momentum tend to have alot of force.  So keep in mind that the Thai kick has superior MOMENTUM compared to the TKD kick, even though the TKD kick might have just as much FORCE as the Thai kick.  This allows the Thai kick to go "through" the target instead of transferring alot of force out when the kick first hits.  (Alot of this has to do with people's technique as well, TKD people tend to kick so that all to energy of the kick stops once it hits the surface of the target, instead of aiming a foot behind the target.) So lets recap: A TKD kick and a Thai kick may have the same amount of force because they operate on opposite principles it just depends on the person. However a Thai kick tends to have much more momentum than a TKD kick, leading to better penetration in the target.  Work on the TKD kick to where you are aiming behind the target not at the surface of the target, this will help equalize it as far as penetration goes, but the Thai kick will still have much more momentum. That is just a technique thing it doesn't actually build momentum in your TKD kick it just gives better results because of the distribution of force.  

Understanding all that, I just want to express how I use both types of kick.  I use the TKD kick for the following: head kicks, distracting leg kicks when I'm setting something up but don't want to sacrifice some of the position you loose with a Thai kick.  I use a Thai kick for: Leg kicks, and body shots in general.

Because the TKD kick is faster I use it for shots to the head, it doesn't take much force to knock someone out, and the faster it is the less chance there is that they will block or tense the neck muscles to prevent the whiplash that causes the knockout.  I also feel that a TKD kick is less likely to be caught, and provides me with a better sense of balance on the high kick.   Leg kicks and such I use the Thai kick because of the extra momentum and penetration, the more bone crushing damage the better!    I feel Thai kicks provide a better sense of balance for leg and mid level kicks as compared to a TKD kick.  

So in finality I hope you realize that there is a place and time for both types of kicks, and the traditional is not bad in the MMA world when used properly.  (I still don't recommend 900 degree jump hook kicks but hey :P) I hope this gives you some ideas about traditional VS Thai and that you will start incorporating traditional and Thai at the same time.  Hope this is somewhat helpful ~TCMAG

November 6, 2010
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i always thought about using both kicks, but i never did tho,when i enter a fight..i forgot whats a thai kick and whats a TKD kick XD,but thanks for the help, ur replay helped, thanks again

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November 6, 2010
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I personally on the higher kicks. I still try to put the shin on the target vs the instep or pulling back the toes. Bigger bones handle the forces better. But mine do have more of the characteristics of the TMA kick when higher.

I believe it a natural thing the higher you go your kicks become more traditional esque vs the thai kick. as your leg elevates the hips tilt in one direction already. The thai kicks moves forces in yet another direction. From my sambo teachings which are minimal the body cant handle more than one direction of stimulus very well. Nervous system over load. The movement becomes very arcane to finish or other compensators are put in play.You also as your leg gets higher you physiologically don't generate forces the same. It has to become more of a whipping generation. When below being level with your hips Gravity, mass, and stability play primary on your power generation.

I think the thai kick is very universal. It doesn't always have to be the crushing kick typical characterized. Although that is my preference. Just as in Pekiti Tirsia Kali and using circular movements and angle strikes make block and defending very tough. Example: most systems #5 angle is more like a straigh push twards the midsection. AKA typical knife attack for most TMA schools. Now in Pekiti tirsia that #5 angle comes from pretty low and in an upward diagnal circular motion. Very problematic to deal with even when doing simple drilling.

90% of "thai kicks" people still throw horizontal. Nothing wrong with that but I find working in upward angles and downward angles I find them more problematic for my opponent. Straight leg thai kick prime example. Sound straight but it isn't. You don't hinge at the knee so its a stiff leg thai kick so it has to be angular in execution. And that bugger is nasty. Fast, strong, elusive, very damaging. SLTK on the inside gate(inner thigh) or flank to outside and get on the nerve on the outside of the leg.

Another method of kicking I am fond of is Savate. I typically use the fuete` bas or median, chasse lateral bas or median, chasse frontal bas or median, and coup de pied bas.

November 6, 2010
10:23 am
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somehow i got used to hit anywhere with the shin, even in head kicks, i also push in my kicks, meaning when i hit the target, once i hit, i push a little bit, making further damage, but pain is the same, i also always kick horizontal and downward, i find it more powerfull than upward but slower, most of my fight plan is strength but less speed, means Power is more important than speed, i find it that if i kicked a kick that hurt him, he will stop doing what hurt him, so lets say i kicked him in triceps, he deffended it but it hurt him, mentally he will be scared to deffended again thats one plan i use sometimes. but thx for the tips

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November 6, 2010
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speed is a factor of power. you mean force. If you push in some you do have some tradeoffs versus speed/ snap. But that is part of game development, all for you to decide and your personal expression. I work with guys all snap other all crush. I mix it up.

November 6, 2010
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yea true, its a matter of preference and what are you good with, but still there r limits for every way of kicking, limits of speed of a snapping kick is much more than limits of speed of a thai kick and so on with force/damage/pain and more

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