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May 23, 2012
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Hey Normy 

did you see this post ;  

 If your a fan of CACC and Billy Robinson, You’ve got to see this!  

 

i said pretty much the same thing , i never realised at the time what was involved and what a deep art wrestling was , i think the technical side was over shadowed by the showmanship etc for tv , remember big daddy and giant haystacks lol !!

im a soft southerner too , where are from mate ?

cheers paul .

May 24, 2012
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Hi Paul

Yes I just checked that thread, very good clip.

The showmanship did take over though I wouldn’t want to mess with those guys, I remember a clip on It’ll Be Alright on the Night were a wrestler has a reporter in a choke or face lock when he questions whether they’re just acting.

Oh and there’s this clip which is a collection of outtakes, so jump to 2 mins 42 seconds when the wrestler appears:

 

I was born just behind the Thomas a Beckett pub in the Old Kent Rd, near Elephant and Castle.

I think there’s a lot of arts here in the UK that got over shadowed by the 70’s Kung Fu craze.

We have stick fighting, Wrestling, Boxing and before the Marquis of Queensbury rules the boxing that existed had throws. There’s also Shin kicking in West England which is similar to Judo, sword fighting and I’m sure many more.

I had always wondered why illustrations usually found in pubs of old time boxers would have them in a stance like Wing Chun, with their fists (rather than open hands) in line with their centre line at chest height. Only recently I realised that bare knuckle boxers would traget the body more as striking the head damaged their hands. So the rear hand must be covering the Solar Plexus, heart.

 

Cheers

Normy

May 24, 2012
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That clip takes me back a bit lol !  

i was a few miles down the thames from you at tibury , about the same time though mid to late 60s and in the mid 80s / early 90 s just up the road at bermondsey market hunting for japanese swords on a friday morning !! 

the bare knuckle guard thing is an interesting point , makes sense i guess .

cheers paul.

May 24, 2012
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Oh I live near the market though I haven’t been for years.

I saw a few Samurai swords in a Sunday flea market just off East street market many years ago, not sure how genuine they were but £60 at the time and that was over 20 years ago.

 

Normy

May 24, 2012
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Normy said

Oh I live near the market though I haven’t been for years.

I saw a few Samurai swords in a Sunday flea market just off East street market many years ago, not sure how genuine they were but £60 at the time and that was over 20 years ago.

 

Normy

I am afraid the days of finding them like that have long gone , so much depends on condition , age, smith , school etc and thats before you start looking at all the fakes ! they start around £300 ish for a tatty wakazashi or a machine made ww2 nco s sword .while a smith made  ww2 officers sword start at £600 ish .so even a flea market owner knows a japanese can mean big money ,although many years ago i  had a few early morning bargains from the ” knocker boys ” in portobello road !!

cheers paul

May 24, 2012
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Wow ha ha ha, this thread has taken a turn to the nostalgic and strange.  Paul Thomas, I ate Tiki Masala once in California at a place called The Olde Ship British Pub & Restaurant.  Pretty tasty I must admit.  Supposedly they are pretty authentic.

May 25, 2012
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That Giant Haystacks Slam was hilarious hahahhhahaahaa

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May 25, 2012
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Dr Sick said

Wow ha ha ha, this thread has taken a turn to the nostalgic and strange.  Paul Thomas, I ate Tiki Masala once in California at a place called The Olde Ship British Pub & Restaurant.  Pretty tasty I must admit.  Supposedly they are pretty authentic.

Yeah sorry about the thread turning into ” the good old days ” you know what us old guys are like ! we were only a step away from ” when ronnie & reggie were around ” ha ha !

cheers paul

May 25, 2012
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On the Ronnie and Reggie subject I remember whe I was about 18 or so I travelled down to Kent and did a whole lot of shoot wrestling. My coach at the time told me to roll with this real old man, he was about 70 or so so I was reluctant as I was young very fit and aggressive at the time. The old man went on all fours facing me and my coach said go. I slowly moved around the side of the old man. My coach stopped us and said ‘Robert, fight him, thats not the way you fight’ so we restarted I did the same thing but a bit quicker. Again my coach restarted us.

Raging mad he said ‘F’N Fight him, dont let his age fool you, He’lll destroy you. If you don’t fight him like you normally do then I’ll come on there and kick your arse!!!’

 

After that we restarted I Lunged straight at the old man, fast and with bad intentions. As I did he just lifted one hand up, pushed my nose to one side with his thumb, next thing I knew I was flat on my back and being choked hard. I tapped instantly. 

I sat up and looked at my coach and he was laughing saying I told you so. I couldn’t believe it. I later found out the old man was a bodyguard for the Richardsons who as far as I know took over london after the Krays. 

 

Bruce Lee ‘Never underestimate you’re opponent’ came into my head straight after that experience. It made me realise how true and applicable that warning is.

May 25, 2012
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naturalbornfighter1 said

On the Ronnie and Reggie subject I remember whe I was about 18 or so I travelled down to Kent and did a whole lot of shoot wrestling. My coach at the time told me to roll with this real old man, he was about 70 or so so I was reluctant as I was young very fit and aggressive at the time. The old man went on all fours facing me and my coach said go. I slowly moved around the side of the old man. My coach stopped us and said ‘Robert, fight him, thats not the way you fight’ so we restarted I did the same thing but a bit quicker. Again my coach restarted us.

Raging mad he said ‘F’N Fight him, dont let his age fool you, He’lll destroy you. If you don’t fight him like you normally do then I’ll come on there and kick your arse!!!’

 

After that we restarted I Lunged straight at the old man, fast and with bad intentions. As I did he just lifted one hand up, pushed my nose to one side with his thumb, next thing I knew I was flat on my back and being choked hard. I tapped instantly. 

I sat up and looked at my coach and he was laughing saying I told you so. I couldn’t believe it. I later found out the old man was a bodyguard for the Richardsons who as far as I know took over london after the Krays. 

 

Bruce Lee ‘Never underestimate you’re opponent’ came into my head straight after that experience. It made me realise how true and applicable that warning is.

Ha ha ,  us old boys have some fight in us lol !

i used to train with a 72 year old judo 7th dan and he put me on the floor more than a cleaners mop !

the richardsons , eddie and charlie were kray rivals from south london , after various incidents there was a turf war going on between the two gangs which was stopped from coming to a head after a big fight at the ” mr smiths club” in which most of the richardsons were arrested ,however george cornell was left and he was shot by ronnie kray after he called him a”  fat poof ”  !!

cheers paul

May 25, 2012
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Dr Sick

If you ever come to London you have to go to Brick Lane for a curry, there’s plenty of restaurants there, I’ve heard the best one is called ‘Preem’. It’s also a 5/10 minute walk to a pub called the Blind Beggar, I’ll say no more. Lots of history in that area.

Paul, the Samurai swords I saw looked military, there’s was also a military shop in marylebone High St that sells all kinds or dwords and armour I think they may have supplied the props for Pirates of the Caribbean. Not sure if it’s still there.

 

Sorry for the meandering.

 

Cheers

 

Normy

May 25, 2012
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Hi all

at the risk of extending this ever further off topic its funny how george cornell came up in the last post and now the ” blind begger ” !

cheers paul.

May 25, 2012
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Ha ha ,  us old boys have some fight in us lol !

i used to train with a 72 year old judo 7th dan and he put me on the floor more than a cleaners mop !

the richardsons , eddie and charlie were kray rivals from south london , after various incidents there was a turf war going on between the two gangs which was stopped from coming to a head after a big fight at the ” mr smiths club” in which most of the richardsons were arrested ,however george cornell was left and he was shot by ronnie kray after he called him a”  fat poof ”  !!

 

That’s really interesting, I never knew the real history between them. It’s very interesting to hear what actually happened. 

 

What’s the connection between George Cornell and the blind beggar? I haven’t heard of either until now, I’m intrigued!! 🙂

 

I really need to brush up on my London Gangster history. heehee

May 25, 2012
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Dr Sick

If you ever come to London you have to go to Brick Lane for a curry, there’s plenty of restaurants there, I’ve heard the best one is called ‘Preem’. It’s also a 5/10 minute walk to a pub called the Blind Beggar, I’ll say no more. Lots of history in that area.

Paul, the Samurai swords I saw looked military, there’s was also a military shop in marylebone High St that sells all kinds or dwords and armour I think they may have supplied the props for Pirates of the Caribbean. Not sure if it’s still there.

 

Hey Normy, I love all that kind of stuff, I’ll need to take a trip to brick lane myself, Next time I’m in london I’ll give you a shout and you can give us a wee guided tour! 🙂

May 25, 2012
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All i know is that if I ever get over to England, I’m never going to call anyone a “Fat Poof”.

May 25, 2012
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Ok naturalbornfighter1

There’s a fair bit of history around that area, not all good 😉

 

Normy

May 25, 2012
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Dr Sick said

All i know is that if I ever get over to England, I’m never going to call anyone a “Fat Poof”.

Ha Ha  ,so much for ” sticks n stones ” huh !!

cheers paul

May 25, 2012
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Naturalbornkiller 1

 

The blind begger pub was where George Cornell was shot by Ronnie Kray .

Normy may be able to confirm this but i thought Henry Cooper trained above it in his early years too but that could be an urban myth !

cheers paul

May 25, 2012
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I know the Krays boxed but I’m not sure about the Blind Beggar having a gym, I know Cooper trained above the Thomas a Beckett pub, that was famous for having a pro boxing gym above it. He was seen by locals and his brother who also worked the door at clubs around the Elephant I think.

I’m pretty sure I read that Mikey Rourke and Bill Wallace have been there to train.

Here’s a bit of info:

http://www.mysteriousbritain.c…..house.html

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Normy said

I know the Krays boxed but I’m not sure about the Blind Beggar having a gym, I know Cooper trained above the Thomas a Beckett pub, that was famous for having a pro boxing gym above it. He was seen by locals and his brother who also worked the door at clubs around the Elephant I think.

I’m pretty sure I read that Mikey Rourke and Bill Wallace have been there to train.

Here’s a bit of info:

http://www.mysteriousbritain.c…..house.html

Ah thats probably what im getting confused with , Henry Coopers brother came into the fish n chip shop my mum and dad ran in gravesend once 🙂

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