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7:33 pm
November 20, 2010
Offlinehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..ature=fvwp
i loved this interview and thought that it might be appropriate to the discussion
9:48 pm
September 30, 2010
OfflineAt my gym we have been learning the Keysi Fighting System, and I have to say, I am in love!!! It is the fighting style that is featured in Batman Begins and while you may say it looks flashy, it really is super simple and can be competently trained for combat within minutes! Look it up!! I very rarely look at a system and say DANG! That would work!! But this is a very pleasant exception. Think a mix of Krav Maga, Kali, and Silat.
I have a Karate background and prior to that I had a background in
Taekwondo. During my years in Karate I trained with a number of people
from different arts and my focus was always on what worked best. I spent
a lot of time getting the ball of the foot front snap kick and round house
down. I also have a nice technical side blade kick and back kick and I
managed to keep and improve my crescent and hook kicks from Taekwondo.
I am the first to admit that Thai boxing does a lot right. But as more
and more gyms pop up that are MMA from the beginning I am seeing people with an
exclusive Thai background. In Karate I was always open to picking up
something new but I have seen a weird attitude that a lot of the Thai guys
think that they have all the answers. A lot of these guys don’t know the
history of Karate/Thai/Savate kicks merging to form the Dutch style. A
lot of these guys have never read the Tao of Jeet Kune Do and seem totally
oblivious to understanding why a strike is affective or not and just repeat
what their instructors tell them. I thought that the early days of karate
helped pave the way but it seems like the MMA guys are making some of the same
mistakes that a lot of the original schools made.
Here is what I am getting at: The Thai boxers are not taught to use the ball
of their foot. The tee kick seems almost useless compared to the classic
front kick. The round kick does not use compression of the leg but rather
drags the fully extended leg through the air. Throwing your lead arm out
to create torque exposes the face and is totally unnecessary if you have good
balance. The thai boxers leans backwards very much like the taekwondo
stylist but instead aims low. They use the rotation of the axis over the
hip to whip their leg and create power. It works but it has a much lower
margin of error then leaning over or on top of your kicks where you are using
your body weight behind the kick.
Finally very often they do not “re-chamber” but rather drop their kicks
where they land.
I have seen guys spend hours doing the same shin kick over and over
again. Instead of learning balance they
expose their face to a counter. Instead
of leaning over or on top of their kicks they lean away meaning that they are
more susceptible to having their kicks jammed.
If you look at Muay Boran it looks almost identical to Karate or
southern Kung Fu. The leaning back was
developed to protect fighters in the ring not give them the most effective
kicks for combat.
Just my two cents would like to hear your thoughts.
Are we being punked?
#1 I will agree that many of the things you say can be errors but they
aren't standards of Muay Thai either. I would think the problem with
muay thai is that with no rank or standardization you will see a varied
degree of quality more so than traditional arts. But I would stand by
the 'TBA of the USA' standards anyday. If someone is in good standing with them then they should be doing things and understanding things correctly. Master Chai has gone to great
effort to create an organization and standardize to prevent the bastardization and protect Muay Thai.
#2 myself coming also from traditional styles. I have the exact opposite apiphany. I found that the traditional arts had precision but lack practicality in application or the forces required to finish unless the target didn't move. Also took much longer to become proficent in application.
I doubt you have any indepth research of the art of Thai, as I don't have carnal knowledge but I have seen many ways to throw the teep and the round kick. All the way from the posture to the chamber and the footwork, Hand position, kicking angles, where to bring your foot back too. I have seen it all addressesed and varied.
I deleted the rest I felt it was to combative in nature. I sir just don't agree with your assumptions of Muay Thai.
I would ask you try one month of the premium access here and view the precision and detail Khru Yamasaki goes through to teach just on video let alone in person.
With respect ~Wai~
11:13 pm
September 30, 2010
OfflineMy personal opinion, niether Muay Thai or Traditional has the most effective kick for the street if we are talking strictly technique Muay Boran probably has the most street effective kick (Round Kick wise that is). Incadentally Muay Boran kick does resemble a Muay Thai kick, and it is the same principle operating it. Also I believe that body type has a great deal to do with how effective your kick is, and what your body is able to do will determine which type of kick will give you the best speed/power ratio. I personally use a traditional TKD round kick for my head kicks, because I can throw off my lead leg, with enough power to do damage. I do this because I can keep my balance better and it is much faster. Because the knockout is caused by the jarring of the brain a knockout is more likeyl to happen when someone is't expecting it or has no time to brace for it. So while the Thai kick IS more powerful, I choose to use traditional for my high kicks because I don't need that extra power if my kick reaches them that much faster. I agree with Wylothar when he says that he has seen all different types of Thai kick and Teep, the Thai Kick you are describing, is what I would call a newbie ringside kick, oh and btw a proper thai kick is off line so they don't have to worry about meeting a straight to the face. As for a the teep being inefective, well its just completely different. The Teep is more of a unbalancing, stopping force. The Snap kick is a strike, and a very fast powerful one. If any of you ar familier with Wing Tsun [Chun] recal the stop kick, that is roughly the same principle as the Teep. Its late so my thoughts are scattered, but one last thing I want to adress, you don't just drag the leg through the air, and throw your arm to create torque. The power comes from the coiling for the hips, which is created by steping out at a 45 or slightly more, there is some slight compression in the leg but nothing close to traditional. The arm is to prevent a straight right or left, its known as "shoving" it actually blocks the face not exposes it. Correct me if I am wrong, but that is my understanding of a Thai Kick. Fogive me if this seems overly straight forward.
12:20 am
November 20, 2010
Offlinewylothar said:
Are we being punked?
#1 I will agree that many of the things you say can be errors but they
aren't standards of Muay Thai either. I would think the problem with
muay thai is that with no rank or standardization you will see a varied
degree of quality more so than traditional arts. But I would stand by
the 'TBA of the USA' standards anyday. If someone is in good standing with them then they should be doing things and understanding things correctly. Master Chai has gone to great
effort to create an organization and standardize to prevent the bastardization and protect Muay Thai.
#2 myself coming also from traditional styles. I have the exact opposite apiphany. I found that the traditional arts had precision but lack practicality in application or the forces required to finish unless the target didn't move. Also took much longer to become proficent in application.
I doubt you have any indepth research of the art of Thai, as I don't have carnal knowledge but I have seen many ways to throw the teep and the round kick. All the way from the posture to the chamber and the footwork, Hand position, kicking angles, where to bring your foot back too. I have seen it all addressesed and varied.
I deleted the rest I felt it was to combative in nature. I sir just don't agree with your assumptions of Muay Thai.
I would ask you try one month of the premium access here and view the precision and detail Khru Yamasaki goes through to teach just on video let alone in person.
With respect ~Wai~
agree with everything written here
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