12:37 pm
October 29, 2010
OfflineOk guys here is another one. You are at a sports bar watching the fights. All of a sudden one or more guys walk in with thier TAPOUT or Affliction shirts on, chest all puffed out. Then you hear them start telling people "Yeah, I train UFC." HA Ha Ha Ha. My response to that is "Really, do you want to go play some NFL or maybe do some NBA." They don't realize that UFC is an organization and not a style.
1:47 pm
Official Member
July 13, 2010
Offlineyou hit the nail on the head! there's fewer things more comical than a Jersey Shore look-alike wearin' the gear and only knowing what they know from Yahoo Sports. they're also the same people who ask if you cagefight, not train in any form of MMA, but cagefight. cagefight?! is that all they know?! they figure a few beers, a Tapout shirt, and knowing that GSP is Canadian and not French makes them experts. i'm the first to admit that i'm far from my MMA PhD, but atleast i can spot an opening when someone's dropping their hands or another word beside "arm bar". those guys are clowns and, the worst part, they're the people that the media and others that don't know their MMA elbow from a hole in the ground (local politicians) base all of US on. they give US a bad name and image. i liken those sports bar guys to the people that, when they're car isn't running right, park on the side of the road with the hood up like "yup, that's the engine … now where does the dipstick go?"
I deal with this every day. Tapout is become the name of the sport. Yesterday I actually heard "Yea, Brandon is training in tapout." Also, we had a few kids try to come in to the wrestling room and jump in with us in practice, which isn't a problem, until it came time to actually practice and one tried a flying triangle choke and gave himself a concussion. He later said he knew he could do it because he's watched it on television. The three guys (college students who graduated from my high school two years ago) said they are currently training in 'UFC' and one is a 'BJJ' green belt. First off, he didn't know what BJJ meant, just those three letters, and there is no green belt in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. I mentioned Muay Thai and I was immediatley cut off by comments like, "that chinese bullshit," and, "real fighters use styles that work, like boxing." Sad part is, my neck of the woods is swamped with 'cage-fighters'. I've only met two other mixed martial artists, both of whom are very successful locally and show more quiet respect and confidence that any 'cage-fighter' could. I honestly think someone who is totally chill and calm is much more intimidating in a fight situation than someone whos jacked-up and yelling and screaming. Uncontrolled aggression just brings cage fighters to a quick end with mixed martial artists.
8:38 pm
November 20, 2010
OfflineWOW. It is so nice to read this and understand others who know my pain. The gym I currently train at is a very large gym as far as MMA facilities go. Its an old Gold's Gym that has been converted. probably about 75% of the people at this gym actually train. not necessarily to fight, but because they enjoy MMA and its a great work out. unfortunately there are about 25% of the people at this gym go there for the sole purpose that they can claim they train at an MMA gym. They wear all the Tap Out or Affliction gear they can afford, go to the free weights and walk around with their shirts off staring at themselves in the mirror. they never roll, or take a muay thai class, but they train in MMA because they go to the gym. I just don't get it. Why pay 3 times the price of a Gold's Gym pass to work out at an MMA gym, but don't take advantage of the great instruction available to you? Add this to the ridiculous commentary that comes out of their mouths the week following a UFC fight and I honestly want to pull my hair out. Every time one of them calls out a fighter for 'gassing' in a fight I want to challenge them to spar for 1 three minute round just to show them how tough it can be. then i remember that I train to push myself in something I enjoy and it's their loss not actually trying to learn. I hope you guys don't mind me writing this. it's seriously been like therapy for me to read this thread.
5:53 pm
October 29, 2010
Offline"Yesterday I actually heard "Yea, Brandon is training in tapout." Also,
we had a few kids try to come in to the wrestling room and jump in with
us in practice, which isn't a problem, until it came time to actually
practice and one tried a flying triangle choke and gave himself a
concussion. He later said he knew he could do it because he's watched
it on television. The three guys (college students who graduated from
my high school two years ago) said they are currently training in 'UFC'
and one is a 'BJJ' green belt. First off, he didn't know what BJJ
meant, just those three letters, and there is no green belt in
Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu."
ROTFL 
4:08 am
Post Leader
July 9, 2009
OfflineI kinda feel bad cos I wear a lot of TapouT gear and I really don't like dissing them at all. I understand all the clowns you guys are speaking about, I totally get it. Tapout were one of, if not thee first MMA company that started sponsoring multiple fighters back in the day when there was no sponsorship and they stood by MMA every step of the way through the dark days of being banned in 48 states and such. If it weren't for Tapout as a brand and their influence there would be very few full time Mixed Martial Artists.
I can't stand these 'Cage Fighter' types as much as you all but I feel bad when Tapout gets tarred with the same brush. They are more loyal to MMA than any other company in history.
On this subject I think it's appropriate to show you guys an article I wrote on the whole Mixed Martial artist vs Cage fighter philosophy. It was written for my new website, it's not up yet but hey, You guys is like family so you get the sneak preview. Let me know what you think. Once the website is up you can see it in all its glory with pics and stuff. Enjoy!
Cage Fighter Vs Mixed Martial Artist
The inaugural UFC event showcased a brand new environment for fighters to test their skills and prove their discipline. It was an eight sided enclosure designed so that no single combat discipline would hold any advantage over another.
It was a stroke of ingenuity when they decided to place fencing around the edges of the octagonal fighting arena. The fencing would help to protect the fighters. If a grappler decided to shoot in on an opponent when they were a little close to the edge then the fence would hold the fighters inside the fighting area, as opposed to a traditional roped boxing style ring where it is possible they could tumble out onto a hard surface area below. The UFC branded the invention ‘The Octagon’, all of the other promotions called theirs ‘The Cage’.
Later, the term ‘Cage Fighter’ was coined, referring to someone who participates in ‘Cage Fighting’. These terms are making their way into general news headlines with increasing regularity. What’s worrying is that in most occasions it is used in a derogatory manner. If a mixed martial arts participant commits a crime the headline usually begins with the words ‘CAGE FIGHTER’. If a council worker, brick layer or I.T assistant committed the same crime I am sure it wouldn’t be sensationalised with the same shock factor in order to sell newspapers.
To the general public this is causing a severe misconception about our beloved sport. Throughout history, cages have been used to confine wild animals and enclose dangerous prisoners and suddenly our sport is being tarred with the same brush. Our athletes will be seen by the general public as monsters participating in some seedy, illegal, underground freak show. ‘Cage Fighting’ is becoming a dirty phrase.
The phrase ‘Cage Fighter’ conjures up images of shaven headed, tattooed, blood thirsty, muscle bound thugs.
As much as this phrase is threatening to destroy our reputation, some people pride themselves on being called ‘Cage Fighters’. The problem is that most people that call themselves ‘Cage Fighters’ are usually anything but. The phrase is getting another reputation, it is being used by the wannabe fighters and the young folks training in MMA who have either not found their inner confidence, have never actually stepped inside a cage or are looking to impress others. It’s the kind of phrase you would find in a bluffers guide to MMA. By telling people you are a Cage Fighter it will no doubt make some people believe that you are a tough individual, however, as the old saying goes – ‘Pit bulls don’t bark’ they have no need to show how tough they are, they already have the confidence instilled within them.
The headlines very rarely begin with ‘Mixed Martial Artist’. This sounds far too civilised and tame for the journalists looking for the hook to pull in their viewer or readership.
If the inventor of the Octagon design had thought that the cage may obstruct the viewers vision and instead decided to enclose the edges with a transparent Perspex material then we may have totally different sporting references altogether. I doubt very much that wannabe fighters would be walking around telling people that they were goldfish bowl fighters. It just doesn’t quite convey the same image. The headlines wouldn’t hook in their audiences so well.
The press thrive on us being savages. By constantly referring to ourselves as ‘Cage Fighters’ we are giving increased leverage to our detractors. If we refer to ourselves as Mixed Martial Artists it reflects a much better image. The Martial Arts are associated with spirituality, inner confidence, discipline, self defence, integrity, self growth, morals and values.
Even in Japan, the spiritual home of the traditional arts, the top MMA promotion DREAM has experimented by using a ‘White Cage’ as opposed to its usual squared circle.
The Cage is here to stay and that won’t be changing anytime soon but the terms ‘Cage Fighting’ and ‘Cage Fighter’ need not stay. There is no need to use these phrases anymore. Mixed Martial Arts is now a well established expression and we are Mixed Martial Artists. We do not practice mindless violence. There is a plethora of science behind combat sports. We should take pride in the fact that we are MORE than just ‘Cage Fighters’. We are disciplined, conditioned athletes. There is no need to brand us as anything different. The next time someone refers to you as a ‘Cage Fighter’, feel free to correct and inform them that we are Mixed Martial Artists and we can help to eradicate the discrimination towards MMA and change the way our sport is viewed by the general public who are being misled about our sport through press sensationalism.
8:37 am
October 29, 2010
OfflineNo disrespect to TAPOUT at all. Man they are the NIKE of MMA (if I may be so bold) There is also no law that says you have to train in order to wear the product(TAPOUT,Affliction,Warrior Wear…etc.) It is these loyal, average joe, spectator fans that are going to make this sport grow. I just have a problem with people that wear the product for the sole purpose of making themselves look tough. They give our sport a bad name and make us all out to be common street thugs. Yes, we are Mixed Martial Arts athletes.
10:32 am
November 20, 2010
OfflineC Abel Gomez said:
No disrespect to TAPOUT at all. Man they are the NIKE of MMA (if I may be so bold) There is also no law that says you have to train in order to wear the product(TAPOUT,Affliction,Warrior Wear…etc.) It is these loyal, average joe, spectator fans that are going to make this sport grow. I just have a problem with people that wear the product for the sole purpose of making themselves look tough. They give our sport a bad name and make us all out to be common street thugs. Yes, we are Mixed Martial Arts athletes.
that right there. I just can't stand that. and as much as i like what Tap Out has done to help the sport, im not willing to be associated with the guys who wear it because of their image.
Props to you naturalborn. Amazingly stated.
I have nothing against TapouT. They did so much for MMA, just TapouT, because it's so well recognized, is becoming the main tool for those guys who want to look the part, but put no effort into actually competing, or even training. Truth be told, I have a few items of TapouT merchandise myself.
I also have no problem with fans who don't wish to compete, but wear UFC, TapouT, Hayabusa, Affliction, or other brands just because they're fans. The problem is, like stated above, the guys who try to give that 'I'm a tough guy cage fighter' image.
The term "cage fighter" is really used as a weapon against mixed martial artists. I can't stand the term. Problem with my area is that the cage fighters are the tough guys around here because they have a short fuse and a big right hand. I enjoy it in a way, because I'll be the quiet one that steps out of the crowd and shuts up the loud, cocky one without a negative word or outburst. :)
3:34 pm
Post Leader
July 9, 2009
OfflineSorry guys, I wasn't meaning to imply that any of you were dissing TapouT. I know a lot of good fighters that continually talk down about tapout and dismiss them as a brand due to the meathead 'tough' guys. It irritates me a bit as they kind of put the blame on TapouT rather than the guys who act like idiots. It's them I was venting my point of view towards. I've even heard fighters say " I'd never wear TapouT because I'd like to be known as a real fighter." That type of thinking is ludicrous to me. They don't want to be associated with the brand due to the small minority of wannabe fighters that wear it and make fools of themselves.The subject just made me think of the situation a bit and I started typing haha.
Thanks Dickey! Glad you liked it. 
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