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11:45 am
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July 23, 2009
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Dr Sick said:
bio-chem said:
Wow, really poorly handled. I've got to admit I would hope that if I was that first cop I would have never crossed that fence to begin with. stand back and talk to that guy. getting in range of a knife doesn't seem smart. I remember learning one time that within a specific range a knife is deadlier than a gun because of the time it takes a person to raise, aim and fire the gun. I can't remember if it was 25ft or what the distance was?
21 Foot rule. This tactical guideline was really helped to be brought into the light by Guru Dan Inosanto and Tuhon Leo Gaje Jr. "Surviving Edged Weapons" is a video they were involved with that has been used by many police as a training tool.
It is also referred to as the Touller principle. It has been used to defend the use of handguns against a knife for law enforcement for awhile now. I believe Touller actually used this drill to save his own but on a shooting trial. Hence it name.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T…..ller_Drill
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Another one
excerpt-
A famous test of the reactionary gap in armed encounters is called the
Tueller Principle. The idea came out of a court case in which an
officer
shot a knife-wielding subject at what seemed to the jury to be a
great
distance. Upon testing the by defense, it was shown that a
knife-wielding
subject could close the distance on an officer with a holstered
gun and
kill the officer before that officer could draw his gun, from a
distance
of 21 feet or greater. And that was an average subject and an
average
officer. Given a subject who is a fast runner, or an officer
whose attention
is divided or is slower in drawing his firearm, that reactionary
gap can
open to 30 or 40 feet or more.
http://www.fightingarts.com/re…..php?id=560
11:51 am
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June 9, 2009
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I've mentioned the idea of "We the unorganized militia" a number of times in this and other threads. The idea was initially brought to my attention by Guru Mark "Crafty Dog" Denny.
For those who don't quite know what this idea entails or means, the following is a perfect example.
http://www.wnep.com/wnep-schyl…..1918.story
We are the first and last lines of defense!
12:58 pm
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July 23, 2009
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Dr Sick said:
I've mentioned the idea of "We the unorganized militia" a number of times in this and other threads. The idea was initially brought to my attention by Guru Mark "Crafty Dog" Denny.
For those who don't quite know what this idea entails or means, the following is a perfect example.
http://www.wnep.com/wnep-schyl…..1918.story
We are the first and last lines of defense!
I watched this video a long time ago. It really changed the way i viewed Self Defense and more so 2nd amendment. I cant direct link the video its about 2/3 of the way down the page link below.
Called "We The Unorganized Militia"
http://dogbrothers.com/pages/m…..media.html
12:07 pm
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July 13, 2010
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i can't believe i have missed this thread! as Dr. Sick had stated, this is an amazing discourse on this subject. this is actually the prime reason the owner of our gym opened. his wife had been stalked at the local community park as he was inside lifting. his wife is petite and had their 2 girls with them. after talking to the manager of the community center, they found out that even though the man doing the stalking had a prior record for doing such things, there was NOTHING the community center or the local sheriff's office could do about the man being on public land … unless he endangered the life of anyone. now, since she was innocently enjoying a nice day with the kids, this man intimidated her and followed her every move. regardless of motive, it could be argued that this was just suspect and he was doing the same thing and she. either way, it spooked Ken and he got the gym established on the premise of teaching real world self-defense. though we have evolved lately, we still instruct eveyone, especially the women and children, the "hand of self-defense" (as we call it):
1. aware
2. avoid
3. attack (if necessary)
4. escape
5. express
it's good to see the 21 ft rule mentioned. having your concealed weapon permit is one thing, have the proper time & training to use the weapon in a real world scenario is much different.
it's not my intention to dumb down the discussion, but as we have all come to recognize: KNOWLEDGE IS POWER. the knowledge to avoid and run, knowledge of how to de-escalate, and the knowledge of what to do if ever.
have a great weekend, DCMMA!
11:41 pm
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June 9, 2009
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Dude!!! what is my world coming to?
http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&am…..d=14696186
Stay vigilant my friends. WE ARE THE FIRST AND LAST LINES OF DEFENSE!
6:56 am
September 30, 2010
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I know what you mean! The world is just a shocking dangerous place. I live in the outer rim of birmingham, a city that is statistically safer than 2% of all cities in America. You never can be to careful.
6:56 am
September 30, 2010
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I know what you mean! The world is just a shocking dangerous place. I live in the outer rim of birmingham, a city that is statistically safer than 2% of all cities in America. You never can be to careful.
7:15 am
August 12, 2009
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8:07 am
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July 9, 2009
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Very good blog, It makes a lot of sense. Thanks for sharing buddy!
11:47 am
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April 15, 2010
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Great blog! My dad used to be a streetfighter for money when he was younger (though he's not proud of it) and he taught me some basic striking a few years back. He taught me one thing that I will never forget.
We both had old boxing gloves on and he had just got done teaching me some basic bob-and-weave type things and he began explaining something about defense. I was younger and wasn't really paying attention and was spacing out, and I caught the words, "and one of the most important things to remember when it comes to a fight…" then a sharp silence brought me back to reality just in time to take a solid, but not devastating, quick hook to the jaw. As I stood back up he looked at me with a stone solid stare, the scars on his eyebrows and nose from his conflict experiences in his youth prominent in the light, and told me, "always be ready for the cheap punch."
It was there that he made clear to me the difference between brawling and fighting, between the ring and the street.
1:56 pm
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June 9, 2009
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One of the favorite things I've learned from the firearms instruction community is the idea of threat management in the form of the aftermath. How and what can you do before hand that will help you deal with what can happen after a violent situation. Take for instance this video:
http://www.facebook.com/video/…..p;comments
According to unconfirmed sources, Casey, the bigger boy in the video is now facing school suspension and legal actions for what transpired.
In our kid's karate class we teach kids to communicate when they encounter situations like these. We get the parents involved and we immediately establish a paper trail of signed documentation and reports filed with the teachers, principals, super intendents etc. Any and everyone involved. We try to establish an on going problem and if necessary file police reports again to bring the problem to the attention of those in a position to help.
The filing of reports and documenting the incidents provides the school district ample notification that a situation exists and gives them the power to take action.
Now should your kid have to defend him or herself in a physical capacity, you have more options available to you and can better defend your family in an aftermath situation such as the one possibly faced by Casey and his family.
12:36 am
November 20, 2010
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good information here. great posts in this thread
1:55 pm
March 16, 2011
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This is a great thread!
Dr. Sick, I side with you whole-heartedly regarding not being a hero. My priority is protecting my friends & family. I find myself imagining infinite scenarios and pre-meditating my actions.
Would I attempt to stop a bank robber (armed or not)? No, they're interest is in the money. Compliance = probable safety.
Would I chase a purse snatcher (assumed unarmed)? Maybe. I have once before.
But as soon as an act of intrusion or violence confronts the well being of me and mine I will go to any length.
I remember the Trolley Square shootings well. An aquaintance of mine lost his wife in that shooting while they were shopping for her wedding ring which he couldn't afford at the time they were wed. If I had been there and armed I cannot see myself taking any action other than to flee unless I had been cornered. Sad but true.
10:25 am
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July 13, 2010
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http://www.naplesnews.com/news…..pital-pin/
this just happened yesterday at my hospital. it was my first day back from my vacation. as part of my job, i was called as a first responder and myself and another male employee first entered the room. thank God the shooter had dropped the pistol a little bit away from himself. we were able to secure the weapon and begin tending to the female victim, but regardless of attempts she died from a gunshot wound to the head. it was definitely a rough night and i'd never dreamed in a million years to walk into a crime scene that you could literally smell the powder fresh in the air. the shooter, we later found, had a second weapon on himself, but it seems his intentions were just her and himself. tragic to say the least. i thank God for the quick response of the sheriff's office and thank God for the men and women who, day after day, thrust themselves into those situations to protect ordinary citizens from this nonsensical crap
11:12 am
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June 9, 2009
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Glad you're safe bro. It can happen at any time and any place. Be ready. Survive first and then work from there.
This happened a few weeks ago and I forgot to post it here.
http://www.ksl.com/?sid=16096608
It wasn't as close a call as some of the other stuff thats happened this year for me but, Bountiful and especially the area that was robbed by this guy is considered fairly posh. Except for a little tiny pocket of apartments that are nestled near that Dick's market. I know because I lived there 9 or so years ago.
10:22 am
September 30, 2010
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That is some scary stuff man! I'm glad your alright! Over the past month I'v had some rather interesting experiences that pertain to this topic. I'll just share a few.
1. My group and I were hiking from our camp site to the ferry that would take us to Zanzibar, and there was this guy that followed us, and started talking with us. He started spewing off threats, and warnings. Saying that if we preached the gospel in Zanzibar the Muslims would kill us and whatnot, and some other stuff. He kept getting more and more agitated, so I took the youg women of the group and got them out of there, and lost him in the crowd. Unfortunately, one of our trip leaders feel behind and he tried to rob her. Luckily it was a crowded area and there were others of our group around to take care of it.
2. This is probably the weirdest one. We had been driving all night to Zambia and it was like two in the morning. or truck got stuck in a ditch. So long story short one of the guys me and a translator head into "town" to try and find help. It is seriously like a ghost town, newspaper blowing across the street, one solitary guy barricaded in a stand, packs of wild dogs roaming around. So we eventually flag down a solitary car, and me and the translator walk up. There is a guy lying in the back seat and two guys up front. after conversing a bit. They drive off cause they were drunk, and the translator who was closer to the back of the car tells me that. That was a dead body in the back, with blood on him. So that was interesting.
You just had to be so aware and careful over there, if you weren't you'd quickly get robbed or killed or cheated. again awareness is 90% of the battle. Because if you are aware of somthing you can prevent it before it happens. Just thought I'd share a couple stories with you. :)
1:06 pm
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June 9, 2009
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Glad to hear that you and your peeps are safe. Things can go South really fast in any parts of the world. Sometimes moreso in the "good parts of town" because those folks rarely see threats and thus are unprepared when confronted with them.
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